Renal and Hepatic Flashcards

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Why is the half life of albumin useful in determining?

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As the half life is 20-26 days (long), a reduction can indicate long term damage due to extended half life which can’t be decreased immediately

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What is the prothrombin time?

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Reference range 10-15 secs
Increase PT when lack of clotting factors
PT depends on factor II,VII and X and will increase if these factors aren’t produced
If hepatocellular damage, liver can’t produce clotting factor as its unresponsive to vit K
If cholestasis increase in PT due to deficiency in bile salts responsible for vit K absorption so responsive to vit K

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What is the treatment for cholestasis when PT is increased?

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IV 10mg Vitamin K for 3 days

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Name drugs and conditions which are Cyp450 inhibitors:

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Cimetidine, ciprofloxacin, ethromycin, COCs, ketoconazole
CCF, cirrhosis, viral infections

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Name drugs and conditions which are Cyp450 inducers:

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Phenytoin, carbamazepine, phenobarbiton, primedonne, rifampicin
Smokers, heavy drinkers
Increase in GGT levels

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Describe the pharmacodynamics in liver disease:

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Increase sensitivity to drugs which:
-affect clotting/ bleeding, due to LD decrease clotting factor
-affect CNS, increase risk of hepatic encephalopathy
-diurects
-constipation

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How can consitpation cause liver disease complications?

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Increase risk of hepatic encephalopathy as N waste products in GIT for increased period of time so increased risk of absorption

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What is the treatment/ management for cirrhosis and end stage liver disease?

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Low protein diet
Low Na+ and diuretics to minimise water retention
Draining of ascites fluid by paracentesis
Surgery to treat portal hypertension and decrease risk of bleeding
Medicines depending on disease and complications
Transplant

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What are the lifestyle modifications in liver disease?

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Lose weight and stop alcohol

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Describe DTs in acute alcohol withdrawal?

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DTs develop in 48-96hrs after last drink, results in hallucinations, disorientation, tachycardia, hypertension, hypothermia, agitation and diaphoresis, can be fatal

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What is the treatment for acute alcohol withdrawal?

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Symptom control and supportive care
Benzodiazepines
IV fluids
Nutritional supplementation
Frequent clinical assessment

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Describe the use of benzodiazepines in acute alcohol withdrawal:

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Control psychomotor agitation and prevent more severity
e.g chlordiazepoxide, oxazepam, decreasing regimen over 9 days
Lowest possible dose given to suppress symptoms without sedation
Seizures- IV lorazepam
Ideally don’t send home with supply as causes respiratory depression and dependence especially with alcohol

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Describe the treatments for cholestatic pruritis:

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Cholestryamine- first line:
ion exchange resin, binds to bile salts in the gut stop it being absorbed
Anti-histmaines:
non- sedating to avoid encephalopathy
Calamine lotion/ menthol in aqueous cream

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What is the treatment for ascites?

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Diuretics
Bed rest
Na+ and fluid restriction
Paracentesis- physical draining of fluid
Aim for weight loss: 0.5-0.75kg decrease per day (up to 1-1.5kg per day if also peripheral oedema) -therapeutic monitoring

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What are the diuretic treatments in ascites?

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1st line= spironolactone as its an aldosterone antagonist
Add on= furosemide (loop) if no weight loss/ peripheral oedema

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What is the initial treatment for Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome?

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IV Pabrinex (IV vit B/C preparations)
Infusion over 30 mins
2 pairs of ampoules TDS for 3-5 days
Need facilities for treating prophylaxis as potential serious allergic reaction

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What is the additional treatment for Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome?

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Oral thiamine for treatment or prophylaxis
100mg TDS (regimen can vary)
Administered at same time as IV and then continue for 3-6 months after abstinence

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What is the treatment for hepatic encephalopathy?

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Lactulose
Rifaximin- add on when lactulose not working
Phosphate enemas- when lactulose CI
Avoid precipitating factors

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Describe the use of lactulose in hepatic encephalopathy:

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30-50ml TDS
Adjust to aim for 2-3 soft stools a day (therapeutic)
Disaccharide molecule, breaks down to form lactic acetic and formic acid so decreases pH of intestine, from 7 to 5, ionisation of N compounds to decreases absorption, alters intestinal flora (decreases ammonia producing bacteria), speeds up gut transit, less time for N and ammonia to sit in gut and be absorbed into system

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What are the toxic monitoring parameters of lactose in hepatic encephalopathy?

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Avoid diarrhoea casing dehydration and hypovolaemia

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What is the treatment for portal hypertension?

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Aim to decrease portal BP and resting HR by 25%
Propranolol low dose and increase cautiously as undergoes 1st pass metabolism
Other vasodilators e.g nitrates

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Describe vasoactive therapy for the treatment of bleeding oesophageal varicies:

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IV e.g vasopressin, terlipressin, octreotide
Started as soon as haemorrhage is suspected

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Describe the treatment for prothrombin time:

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PT is greater than 18seconds
Phytomenadione IV (vit K)- may not work if pt has severe liver disease
Avoid NSAIDs/ warfarin

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What are the LFT signs of drug induced hepatoxicity?
Many drugs can cause inconsequential rises in LFTs, if up to 2x upper limit then doesn't require medicine Liver damage has occurred when: -ALT increased to more than 2x upper limit -increased conjugated bilirubin more than 2x upper limit -combined increased ALP and total bilirubin with one more 2x upper limit
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What is the management for drug induced hepatotoxicity?
Drug withdrawal Antidote if appropriate Corticosteroids- evidence controversial, if LFTs still deteriorating 3 weeks after, or if hepatotoxicity remained 6 months after discontinuation Supportive therapy Yellow card report- serious report
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What is the diagnosis for paracetamol toxicity?
Serum paracetamol concentration
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Name the different treatments for paracetamol overdose:
N acetyl cysteine IV Methionine oral, both replenish glutathione stores Activated charcoal of gastric lavage within ONE hour
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Describe N acetyl cysteine as a treatment for paracetamol overdose:
IV first line Given during first 8 hours of overodse Possible effective up to and beyond 24 hours, effectiveness decreases after 12 hours Dosing depends on plasma paracetamol conc and time after ingestion A= normal treatment line B= enhanced risk line, for patients on enzyme inducers, alcoholics, malnourished, HIV
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What is the Cockcroft and Gault equation:
CrCl (ml/min) = ((140-age) x weight x F*)/ plasma Cr (µmol/L) F*= 1.23 males F*= 1.04 females
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What are the limitations of the Cockcroft and Gault equation?
Assumes average population data Unsuitable for children and pregnancy Renal function must be stable (plasma Cr stable)
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What is the traditionally normal levels of Cr and CrCl?
Cr= 55-125 µmol/L CrCl= 120 ml/min
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Name the different stages of renal impairment:
Stage 1(G1)- normal GFR Stage 2 (G2)- mild impairment Stage 3A (G3A)- mild to moderate Stage 3B (G3b)- moderate to severe Stage 4 (G4)- severe impairment Stage 5 (G5)- established/ end stage
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What is the eGFR value for stage 1 renal impairment?
More than 90
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What is the eGFR value for stage 2 renal impairment?
60-89
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What is the eGFR value for stage 3A renal impairment?
45-59
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What is the eGFR value for stage 3B renal impairment?
30-44
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What is the eGFR value for stage 4 renal impairment?
15-29
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What is the eGFR value for stage 5 renal impairment?
Less than 15
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How would you calculate the GFR absolute?
Can use it to individualise someones GFR = eGFR x (individual BSA/1.73)
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What is the normal and uraemia range of urea?
More than 15mmol/L= uraemia Normal 1.7-6.7mmol/L
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What are the symptoms of uraemia?
N&V Puritis
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How would you calculate the albumin: creatinine ratio (ACR):
Divide albumin (mg) by creatinine (g)
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What is the ACR value showing renal failure in non-diabetics?
More than 70mg/mmol
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What is the ACR value showing renal failure in diabetics?
More than 2.5mg/mmol in males More than 3.5mg/mmol in females Due to increased risk of developing renal disease
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What is the general classification of CKD?
Decreased GFR and increased ACR
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Describe excretion of drugs in renal disease:
Less excretion, need to modify doses of drugs which are renally excreted Lower dose and/or increase dose interval- drug dependent NO adjustment needed to loading doses
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Describe the nephrotoxicity of a drug in renal disease:
Ideally not nephrotoxic but in some cases can be essential to use nephrotoxic e.g co-morbidity or long term renoprotective benefit e.g ACEi/ARB Monitor RF and toxicity In end stage renal failure- no further renal function damage can occur or decline- so not worried about nephrotoxic drugs but do need to monitor for toxic accumulation levels and side effects from this
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What should occur in obese or severely underweight patients when calculating CrCl?
Use IBW for obese patients if BMI is over 30 If ABW is smaller than IBW, use ABW
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What should occur if a patient has got a borderline CrCl?
Need to look at trends of their renal function- if its increasing can possible go for one above Antibiotics- normally treat with higher dose to treat infection
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Name types of drugs causing pre-renal failure:
Lactulose overdose HF Liver disease Lisinopril
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Name types of drugs causing intrinsic renal failure:
Gentamicin Acute tubular necrosis Uncontrolled hypertension
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Name types of drugs causing post-renal failure:
MTX BPH Ovarian tumour
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What are the 3 classifications (reversibility) of renal disease?
AKI (Acute Kidney Injury)- reversible CKD (Chronic Kidney Disease)- irreversible ESRF (End Stage Renal Failure)- irreversible
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Name and describe the 3 potential factors for the diagnosis of AKI:
Serum creatinine rises by ≥26.5µmol/L within 48hrs OR Serum creatinine rises by ≥1.5 fold from their baseline value, which is known or presumed to have occurred within the last 7 days OR Urine output is <0.5ml/kg/hr for 6 hrs
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What are the different stages in AKI?
Stage 1 Stage 2 Stage 3
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What is the value for stage 1 AKI?
1.5 to 1.9x increase from baseline creatinine
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What is the value for stage 2 AKI?
2.0 to 2.9x increase from baseline creatinine
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What is the value for stage 3 AKI?
3.0 or more x increase from baseline creatinine
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What are the medications that can cause AKI?
Triple whammy: -ACEi -Diuretics -NSAIDs Avoid nephrotoxics in those at risk e.g NSAIDs in elderly Monitor renal function for those taking high risk drugs/ with high risk co-morbidities Review meds Educate pt on sick day rules
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What are the AKI signs and symptoms for volume depletion?
Dehydration signs- initial Thirst A lot of fluid loss Oliguria- loss of fluid Dry mucosa (clinically dry in mouth/nasal passages) Reduced skin elasticity Tachycardia Hypotension Decreased JVP
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What are the AKI signs and symptoms if left untreated?
Volume overload Increase orthopnoea (SOB lying down) and Paroxysmal Nocturnal Dyspnoea (PND)- pts waking up coughing due to fluid when lying down Oedema- ankles and lungs SoA Pulmonary oedema and crackles
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Describe the first step in AKI management:
Identify the cause Urine/ blood tests Medication history: -review and hold medication known to exacerbate AKI (ACEi/diuretics) -adjust doses of other medication to prevent harm (metformin/ DOACs) Remember, restarting long term medications post AKI is just as important as holding them short term
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Describe how you would treat volume depletion in the second step of AKI management:
Aggressive, early fluid resuscitation to mimic the nature of fluid loss i.e blood, sodium chloride- to restore perfusion and oxygen delivery Monitor input and output of fluid Hypovolaemic- positive fluid balance to hydrate the pt and increase renal perfusion Dialysis can be used in around 1'/3 of pts to maintain renal function while treating the underlying cause (rapidly rising Cr/urea, severe hyperkalaemia, metabolic acidosis)
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Name treatments that would be used in the second step in AKI management for fluid overload:
Loop diuretics Dopamine
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Describe loop diuretics for fluid overload patients in AKI:
Only if no issue with renal perfusion- caution to avoid dehydration Diuresis, decrease in tubular cell metabolic demands, increase in renal blood flow High doses 1-2g IV over 24 hrs- furosemide 4mg/min max rate (if higher, risk of ototoxicity)
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Describe dopamine for fluid overload patients in AKI:
More common in ICU Low dose 2mcg/kg/min= renal vasodilation through DA1r increase perfusion and urine output Higher dosing (more than 5mcg/kg/min) can cause vasoconstriction
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What are the potassium levels which indicate hyperkalaemia in AKI patients?
≥ 6.5mmol/L K+= muscle weakness, ECG changes, VF, Cardiac arrest >6mmol/L should be treated urgently in AKI
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What are the levels and treatment for non AKI patients with hyperkalaemia?
≥6.5 should always be treated Protect the heart with calcium gluconate 10% IV (antagonises K+ at cardiomyocyte membranes) Shift K into cells- rapid acting insulin in glucose over 15 mins to stim Na/K transporter Nebulised salbutamol- lower serum K levels by stimulating take up into cells
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What is the treatment for moderate K+ 6-6.4mmol/L with no ECG changes?
Insulin glucose infusion Check pre-treatment blood glucose level Give 10 IU of actrapid insulin in 50ml of 50% glucose (25g) via large IV access over 15-30 mins If pre treatment BG less than 7 mmol/L give 10% glucose at 50ml/hr for 5 hrs (25g) Monitor BG levels Consider salbutamol 10-20mg nebulised
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What is the treatment for severe K+ ≥6.5mmol/L with ECG changes?
Emergency help 30ml 10% Ca gluconate IV Use large IV access and administer over 10 mins Administer over 30 mins if on digoxin Do not administer with NaHCO3 Repeat ECG- consider further dose 5-10 mins after if ECG changes present Then the insulin regimen like moderate K+ level and then salbutamol
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What is the definition of CKD?
UK Kidney Association (UKKA) defines CKD as a pt with abnormalities of kidney function or structure present for more than 3 months The definition includes all individuals with markers of kidney damage or those with an eGFR of less than 60ml/min/1.73m2 on at least 2 occasions 90 days apart
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What are the complications of CKD?
Water and electrolyte balance Hypertension Acid/ base balance Muscle dysfunction Renal bone disease Uraemia Anaemia
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In the early stages of CKD, how is the kidney unable to regulate water/ electrolytes?
Polyuria/ nocturia Osmotic effect of urea (>40mmol/L) Loss of ability to concentrate urine
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What are the main complications in CKD when the kidney is unable to regulate water/ electrolytes?
Hyperkalaemia- kidneys inability to excrete, risk of CA, VF Acidosis- inability to remove H+ ions= decrease in bicarbonate ions
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What is the first line treatment in CKD when the kidneys can't regulate water?
Fluid restriction- turn off the tap Not yet on dialysis and still pass urine, restriction at a min of 1L/day If patients on haemodialysis and not passing urine, restriction may be a lot less, around 500ml/ day Na+ restriction- dietary measures Monitor daily weights at home and BP
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What is the second line treatment in CKD when kidneys can't regulate water?
If fluid restriction doesn't work, move onto diuretics- take the plug out Diuretics- loop diuretics first line (furosemide up to 2g daily), bumetanide better absorbed if a lot of fluid accumulation in the abdomen Metolazone (atypical thiazide)- cautious addition as very strong diuretic, closely monitor, stop when dialysis start- most pts
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What is the target level of potassium in pre-dialysis patients?
4.0-6.0mmol/L
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What is the first line treatment in patients with hyperkalaemia in CKD?
Calcium resonium (potassium binder)- binds to K+ in the GIT Releases Ca2+ in exchange and constipation SE- prescribed lactulose alongside it
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What is the second line treatment in pts with hyperkalaemia in CKD?
Sodium zirconium cyclosilicate and Patiromer calcium approved by NICE for acute and chronic hyperkalaemia meeting certain criteria
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What is the treatment for acidosis in CKD?
Sodium bicarbonate PO 500mg TDS Can be uptitrated
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What is the level in CKD that a patient has uraemia?
More than 15mmol/L
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What is the main treatment for uraemia in CKD?
Effective treatment requires dialysis
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What are the symptoms of uraemia in CKD?
Anorexia N&V Constipation Foul taste Pruritis Skin discolouration
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What are off label use medications for uraemia in CKD?
Anti-histamines SSRIs Gabapentinoids
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What is a NICE approved treatment for prutitis in uraemia in CKD?
Jan 2024 Difelikefalin in HD pts
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What are the symptoms of muscle dysfunction in CKD?
Cramps and restlessness legs especially at night
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What is the non-pharmacological treatment of muscle dysfunction in CKD?
Lifestyle measures- as drugs that are used have debatable efficacy or can be addictive e.g check caffeine levels Check iron levels
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What is the drug treatment of muscle dysfunction in CKD?
Quinine 300mg ON (cramps)- efficacy debated and trail recommended, should be reviewed within 2-4 weeks Ropinirole 250mcg ON (restless legs) -dopamine agonist
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What can be a negative outcome of HTN in CKD?
Proteinuria Sustained HTN can lead to protein in the urine >2g in 24 hr= glomerular disease >5g in 24 hrs= severe disease (nephrotic syndrome)
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State and describe the blood pressure targets for patents with CKD:
Targets decided on protein level Proteinuria low (ACR<70 or PCR<100) BP <140/90 Proteinuria high (ACR>70 or PCR>100) BP <130/80
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What are the patient characteristics where you should follow the normal NICE HTN guidelines?
Pts have CKD, HTN and ACR of 30mg/mmol or less
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What are the patient characteristics where you should not follow the normal NICE HTN guidelines?
CKD, HTN and ACR of more than 30mg/mmol Or have diabetes and ACR is 3mg/mmol or more
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What is the treatment for HTN for CKD patients when not following the normal NICE guidelines?
ACEi/ARB started and optimised ACEi/ARB may also be offered to CKD patients who do not have existing HTN or diabetes if ACR is more than 70mg/mmol or more
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What are the monitoring requirements for ACEi/ARBs?
Monitor K+ prior to treatment and 1-2 wks after initiation/dose change -potassium binder may be required if hyperkalaemia on repeat sample Monitor creatinine, 1-2 wks after initiation/ dose change -in ESRF don't need to worry about creatinine
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What is the CI of ACEi/ARBs and why?
In renal artery stenosis Atherosclerosis in renal arteries supplying blood to kidney= decreased GFR RAS system constricts the efferent arteriole to maintain pressure and perfusion RAS blockers (ACEi/ARBs) block this compensatory mechanism, causing further renal impairment
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Describe CCBs in CKD for hypertension:
Ankle oedema SE, particularly in nifedipine
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Describe diuretics in CKD for hypertension:
Not usually for HTN, mainly oedema -thiazide diuretics (except metolazone) ineffective CrCl <25ml/min -K+ sparing diuretics increase hyperkalaemia risk egg spironlactone
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Describe B blockers in CKD for hypertension:
Cardioselective e.g metoprolol (cleared by liver), low dose and titrate Can also be seen on bisoprolol and atenolol
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Describe a blockers in CKD for hypertension:
Doxazosin, cleared via liver
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Describe vasodilators in CKD for hypertension:
E.g hydrazalazine SEs of reflection tachycardia (use with B blockers), fluid retention (use with diuretics) and minoxidil causes excess hair growth
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Describe the use of SGLT2i in CKD:
Dapagliflozin is the only licensed one in CKD Add on to optimised standard including highest tolerated ACEi or ARB unless CI eGFR 25-75ml/min/1.73m2 at the start of treatment WITH T2D or urine ACR of at least 22.66mg/mmol
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What're the warnings/ counselling points for SGLT2i?
Sick day rules MHRA warning- DKA that can be euglycemic (normal BG) so need to monitor ketones MHRA warning- Fournier's gangrene- genital necrosis infection as urinating glucose rich for bacteria, keep area clean/dry and report signs of genital infection
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What are the main causes of renal bone disease (RBD)?
Particularly in CKD stages 4 and 5 -hyperphosphatemia -low vit D -hypocalcaemia
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What is the treatment of hyperphosphatemia in RBD?
Diet- decrease phosphate intake Phosphate binders e.g Calcium acetate (1st line), Sevlamer (2nd line), lanthanum Bind with phosphate in the gut (take with/before meal and dose according to meal size)
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What are the problems with phosphate binders in RBD?
Need to check adherence before changing They are large tablets which many need to taken at once Come with GI SEs
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What are the treatments of hypocalcaemia and low vit D?
Vit D3 analogue e.g Calcitriol (activated) Alfacalcidol (activated in liver) Can't give Cholecalciferol as needs to be activated by the kidney
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What are the treatments for hyperparathyroidism?
Effective management of Ca and phosphate Cinacalcet- lowers PTH levels by increasing sensitivity of Ca receptors (calcimimetic) Paricalcitiol- IV vit D analogue (expensive, not seen often) Parathyroidectomy- last resort
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What are the targets for PTH in RBD?
> 2x and <4x upper limit of normal
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What are the targets for phosphate in RBD?
1.1-1.5mmol/L 1.1-1.7 mmol/L if on dialysis
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What is the corrected Ca levels in RBD?
2.2-2.6 mmol/L
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What is renal anaemia in CKD?
Common in CKD stage 3 onwards Erythropoietin (low levels) Low levels of iron also
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Describe what low erythropoietin levels in CKD can cause:
Decrease in RBC proliferation in bone marrow leading to anaemia
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What is the first line treatment for low erythropoietin in CKD?
Recombinant human erythropoietin by injection (IV/SC) AKA Epoinjections -epoetin alfa (Eprex), Darbepoetin (Aranesp), Epoetin beta (NeoRecrmon)
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What are the SEs of the first line treatment for low erythropoietin in CKD?
HTN Pre red cell aplasia (Eprex only)
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What is the second line treatment for low erythropoietin in CKD?
HIF stabilisers Roxadustat Involved in gene expression in erythropoiesis to increase Hb production and improve iron response Hb target: 100-120g/L
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What treatment in renal aneamia needs to be sorted first and why?
Erythropoietin produces RBCs which need iron, so iron stores need to increase before Epo injection
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What is the target ferritin range in CKD?
200-500mcg/L Max 800mcg/L and min more than 100mcg/L
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What is the treatment for iron anaemia in CKD?
PO iron may be sufficient for pre-dialysis patients Most patients will need IV replacements e.g Ferinject, Venter is serum ferritin under 200mcg/L
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What is one major thing to avoid in iron anaemic patients in CKD?
Avoid blood transfusions- particularly if they are a candidate for renal transplantation in the future as there is an increased chance of rejection
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What are the vitamins complications of CKD?
All water soluble vitamins tend to get removed Need replacement Renavit- contains water soluble vitamins along with dietary advice Particularly need on dialysis as removes water soluble vitamins
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Describe the use of the Hep B vaccination in CKD:
5 yearly booster for all CKD patients with blood manipulation, particularly HD (monitored yearly for Abs) Doses are doubled at 3x 40mcg dose
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When do we initiate dialysis?
In ESRF average eGFR 7ml/min -becomes unmanageable by other interventions Joint decision between MDT and patient, pt choice as may not be suitable e.g elderly as too frail Patient needs to understand that it wont be curative and life lengthening
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What are the monitor requirements when a patient is on dialysis?
Need to assess weight before and after dialysis- assessing fluid removal as too much fluid removal can cause dizziness/ hypertension Fluid accumulation between sessions, no more than 1.5kg gain and each pt has tailored 'dry weight' - weight gain causes risk of pulmonary oedema and acute hospital admission for cardiac failure
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What is the time scale for dialysis and why?
Work up to 3-5 hours to prevent disequilibrium syndrome: headaches, N&V, convulsions due to large urea removal Usually 4 hrs 3x a week
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What is the signs and treatment for PD peritonitis?
Cloudy bag- should normally be clear Give IV vancomycin- via port via catheter (+ve) PO ciprofloxacin (-ve) Targets both gram -ve and gram +ve
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What is the dietary requirements when on dialysis?
Healthy diet- low fat and salt, high fibre Low potassium- in chocolate, potatoes, caffeine Low phosphate High protein diet in CAPD- can lose protein through CAPD fluid
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What is the fluid restriction requirements in HD?
More strict Urine output + 500ml a day
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What is the fluid restriction requirements in PD?
Urine output + 750ml a day Includes anything that is a liquid at room temperature e.g ice cream
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What are the medication considerations when a patient is on dialysis?
Fluid management- stop diuretics unless residual function to pass urine Acid/ base balance- stop sodium bicarbonate HTN- monitor pre/post dialysis like to decrease after dialysis but still needed Renal bone disease- remain on treatment Erethypoetin- risk of blood loss increases in dialysis so still required and usually given with IV iron on dialysis