Plato vs Aristotle - Empiricism vs Idealism Flashcards
Empiricism v Idealism - Intro
question of how to approach reality debated among many inc
Plato - idealism
Ari - favoured empiricism
Ult… due to flaws in P
What is WoF?
innate ideas where our souls already contained knowledge of forms prior to being united w our bodies
Idealism vs Rationalism - P1
Rationalism- P arrive ar FoG/WoF through reason
links to WoF as he believes…. (define WoF)
experience does NOT provide concepts nor determine info they contain!!!!!!❌❌
👍🏻- encourages us Q things to learn rather than accept @ face val
NO EMPIRICAL EV FOR WoF!!!!!
here where A much clearer+stronger
A= youre ignoring physical world!! cannot be ignored!!!!!! won’t go away!!!!! real!!!!! important!!!!! CAN understand and worth doing so!!! it is the starting point for disc meaning+reality of existence 🦋☘️🌻🌏⚡️
CC: Plato sense deceive us! only offers probability not certainty
CR: relied on senses for survival for 1000s yrs🐵🐒🧔🏻
Empiricism vs Idealism - P2
following on.. P unreliable
P: “A does not have any conc ev that material world 🌎 = source of K”
-changes person to person
IN CONTRAST TO
-unchanging ideal forms!! provide tru K/epistem
BRIAN DAVIES=w/o Forms, could not agree/disagree/discuss general features
PLATO’s ABSOLUTIST THEORY AINT ABSOLUTIST!
arg of empiricism being subjective FLIP- cannot be such absolute val as 👍🏻/justice completely sub itself
FMORE- if perf form of everything, logically forms of unpleasant things - 🐌bogey (S Law)
emphasis unlikeliness everything has ideal form
(in fairness criticisms only arise if too literal)
⁉️BUT P too ambiguous abt this- weak.
more plausible alt to PLATO recognising similar things…..
WITTGENSTEIN
suggests similarity due to overlapping characteristics
👨👩👧👨👧👨👦👦
far more plausible!- although in family there is resemblance, no 1️⃣ thing specific to them
Empiricism Vs Idealism - P3
key aspect of A’s success = lies in central theory - 4 causes
-everything in 🌎 constantly changing, so in order to exp movement
pot—>actuality
uses 4 causes (material, efficient,formal, final)
•🤘🏻ENCAPSULATES many aspects of ob ex+ common sense in it - most ob’s conform
CC: all obs conform to P tho?
CR: high element of sub differs to element of confirmation+proof in A 💡 -eg chair wood
-Moreover: 4Cs focus on purpose, gives way of determ if something good/not. intuitively kno…
ULT 4C fuller understanding- gain K from both mat + non mat (final)
what do we intuitively know?
if things do not fulfill meant job, not being object meant to be!!!!
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good conc words - idealism v empiricism
“unjust of Plato to deny”
“unduly favour reason”
“detrimental when practised to understand reality”
