Pulmonary and CP Flashcards

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approach to pt with mild to moderate Asthma attack

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 Hand held nebulizer – asap Albuterol, Atrovent

 Oral Prednisone (60mg) PO (as good as IV initially)

 Peak flow (PEFR) after each neb tx, repeat VS, reassess

 Usually no need for labs, CXR, EKG, ABG, etc

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Discharge

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 Walk ‘em, assure f/u, return precautions
–> have them speaking mary had a little lamb her fleece was white as snow

 Oral steroid burst (60mg x5d or tapered dose Rx), inhaled steroid Rx

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asthma pt can’t go home if

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 Not responding to treatment, worsening

 Hypoxic - ambulatory pulse ox <95%

 PEFR not improved to 65- 70% predicted

 ED visit in past 3 days for same

 Exacerbation during steroid burst

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hallmark of asthma attack

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bilateral!

if not–> another dz process

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Other than wheezing what would we likely see in a pt with an asthma attack

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Dyspnea, cough, chest “tightness”

Pronged expiratory phase, I:E ratio 1:3 or 4

Tachypnea, tachycardia, HYPOxia, HYPERcarbia

Poor peak expiratory flow measurements (PEFR)

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how do you elicit a prolonged expiratory phase

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blow out the cake with 100 candles

will hear prolonged exasperation

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what is a nl peak flow

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Poor peak expiratory flow measurements (PEFR)

650 or 700 is normal

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why do we see asthma exacerbations most commonly in the ED

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Med non-compliance, viral illness most common reasons

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what other pts wheeze

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CHF
PE
COPD

is the person is over 40 and does not have a dx of asthma WATCH OUT

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essential questions for pts with asthma

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have you had a fever?
have you had any trauma?
have you been sick?
have you had this before?

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what is the neb treatment for asthma

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albuterol neb 2.5 mg

once, 3x q20min or 10ml/1hr

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COPD exacerbation will look like (VS)

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BP 170/95,
P 120,
RR 32/min, (not good!)
T 97

pulse ox 93% on 4L nasal canula. 3-4 word sentences, sweating, insists on sitting upright, leaning forward.

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treatment goals for COPD

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reverse hypoxia, reverse hypercarbia, restore effective ventilation

The retention of CO2 is what brings these people down

pump has to work
alveoli have to work
need to get it out

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reasons for COPD exacerbations

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  1. Disease progression
  2. Med non-compliance, out of home O2
  3. Infection - viral, bronchitis, pneumonia
  4. Cardiac - pump
    failure/impairment, arrhythmia
  5. Metabolic acidosis, other illness on top
  6. Exposure/environment
  7. Sedation, drugs
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what do we see on a COPD CXR

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Hyperexpanded lung fields, narrow cardiac silhouette, flat diaphragms, blunted costophrenic angles

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what labs would you want in a COPD exacerbation pt

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CXR, lung/cardiac US, EKG, monitor, labs

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TX COPD

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	Continuous nebulizer treatments
             Beta 2 agonists (10mg over 1h)
              Inhaled anticholinergics
	Oral steroids, IV if admit 
	Antibiotics if appropriate
	Assisted ventilation - NIPPV
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antibiotic commonly used in COPD pts

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doxy

they get the weird bugs

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when can you NOT send a COPD pt home

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	Not responding, worsening symptoms/signs
	Mental status changes
     If they require a bipap
	Hx recent severe exacerbations/intubation
	Older, co-morbidities
	New arrhythmia
	Uncertain of diagnosis
	Poor ambulatory pulse ox
	Poor home support
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presentation of pneumothorax

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elevated RR
elevated pulse
94% Room air
sudden

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focused Hx for pneumothorax

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have you had this before?
cardiac and pulm ROS
PMH
trauma? syncope?

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Pulmonary ROS

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Cough? Sputum? Hemoptysis?
o Coughing up blood?
• Shortness of breath (SOB = dyspnea)? • Wheezing?
• Pleurisy?

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Cardiac ROS

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Chest pain?
• Palpitations?
• Dyspnea on exertion DOE? o SOB on exertion?
• Orthopnea?
o SOB when lying down?
• Paroxysmal nocturnal dyspnea PND?
o Do you awake in the middle of the
night and feel like you have to run
to the window to get air?
• Leg edema?
o Swelling in legs?
• Hx of cardiac problems? (HTN, MI, CHF,
rheumatic fever, heart murmur)?
o **Move to PMH if positive
• Ever had/last EKG?
o **Move to HM: Screening
• Ever had/last heart tests (echo, stress
tests)?
o **Move to HM: Screening
• Cardiac procedures (cath, stent)
o **Move to PMH: Surgeries if yes
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What do you do for suspected pneumothorax

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i. IV, O2, monitor; EKG, tx pain
ii. CXR – search edges
1. +/-Expir film, lateral decub; deep sulcus sign if in bed
iii. Bedside ultrasound

looking for absence of “comet tailing”; the friction of pleural sliding

Shock? Or stable now?

  1. Can deteriorate quickly
  2. Could be obstructive shock
    v. Primary or Secondary?
  3. Primary pneumo –> spontaneous
  4. Secondary pneumo —>a result of something

chest CT
surgery consult

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Tx for pneumothorax
1. Treatment depends on size Pigtail catheter w/ Heimlich valve Chest tube 2. Small, primary pneumos (<15% total lung) in select cases, a stable patient can go home if:
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when can a pneumothorax go home
with a pigtail Not a secondary pneumo b. Stable vitals after 3-4hrs c. Repeat CXR with no enlargement d. Pt is reliably able to return in 12-24hrs for repeat CXR e. If catheter re-expansion i. Stable x6hrs f. Surgical consult agrees
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tension pneumothorax is dx
CLINCALLY pt will die if not treated
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Pt presentation of pneumothorax (5)
Pt with trauma to the chest 1. Severe dyspnea, sudden change in VS/LOC 2. *Decreased breath sounds affected side 3. *Hypotension 4. *Distended neck veins 5. *Tracheal shift (late)
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what is the Tx for tension pneumothorax
iv. Needle thoracentesis: 2nd ICS at MCL with 16 gauge at second intercostal space mid-clavicular line v. Follow with chest tube immediately
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a. A 54yo woman, hx of breast CA, BIB family. The pt has “not left her bed” and has been c/o chest pain for the past 2 days and seems to be “breathing fast”. Family states chemo/radiation ended 4mos ago. Patient is thin, appears ill, is not talking. Vitals: BP 108/60, P 110, RR 28, T 99.3 (not a fever), 93% on room air what is supected in the pt and why
Don’t know yet DDx? PE, sepsis, malnutrition/dehydration, is she in hypovolemic shock? PE and pulmonary effusion are at the top b/c of hx of chemo ``` BP is low P 100 RR 28 T 99.3 93% on room air ``` IV, OT MONITOR
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Pulmonary Effusion workup
i. IV, O2, monitor, pain control, labs ii. CXR; Lateral decubitus film – does it layer out? iii. Bedside ultrasound - see fluid, guides tap – also check for pericardial effusion iv. Chest CT - gold standard
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if you have a pulmonary effusion you need to look for
pericardial effusion -triple scan
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what can a CT tell us about a pulmonary effusion
1. Excellent for small effusions, other dx’s 2. CT guided thoracentesis if loculated – doesn’t layer out 3. Effusions can be infectious, malignant, reactive, chronic, post-surgical, traumatic
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TX for pleural effusion
1. Sick? Is this shock? Fever? 2. Triple scan US: fluid status, pericardial effusion 3. US guided Thoracentesis Diagnostic and therapeutic Slow removal of fluid - ultrasound guided` No more than 1000 - 1500ml To avoid re-expansion pulmonary edema CXR after to check for pneumothorax 4. Pleural fluid analysis
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Thoracentesis for pleural effusion
diagnostic and therapeutic
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who are you worried about in flu season
Young, old, immunocomp, recent surg/hosp, lung Dz
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who gets a CXR with the flu
1. Hypotension/tachy/tachy, hypoxic, lung findings 2. No viral syndrome sx’s, worsening (We are worried about PNA) sxs for more than 2 weeks
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who get moved to maintain to the ED
Abnormal VS, chest pain, young/old, risks, look sick
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Which Hx/PE findings really make a difference in a pt with suspected flu
1. ROS: SOB, DOE, hemoptysis, leg edema/pain, syncope 2. PMHx (cardiac, lung dz, DM, steroids), SH (etoh, homeless) 3. VS, diaphoresis, new wheezes, rales, edema, rash
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Who has the flu vs. who has pneumonia, other dx??
1. Bacteria/pneumonia is very narrow minded and tends to stay in one spot 2. Flu gives you symptoms all over – malaise, sore throat, fever, vomiting, maybe diarrhea (viruses affect a lot of different systems)
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1. CURB65
helps predict mortality in a person with pneumonia ``` CONFUSION BUN RR BP OVER 65 ```
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TX for pneumo
v. Abx: Azithro mostly Levo?, Doxy
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MCC of hemoptysis
1. Pneumonia = MCC 2. Coumadin 3. Tuberculosis 4. Cancer 5. Pulmonary embolus 6. Hematemesis? 7. Nasal, dental, oral source? 8. Trauma
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how does hemodynamically stable help us figure out hemoptysis 1:00hr
iii. Hemodynamically stable? Hemodynamically unstable patients don't have enough pressure in the circulatory system to keep blood flowing Pale and cool skin Diaphoresis (sweating) Fatigue Very fast or very slow pulse (fast can be either a reaction to or a cause of instability; slow is almost always a cause) Low blood pressure (very late sign) Shortness of breath (not enough blood getting to the lungs) Chest pain (could be related to inadequate blood flow in the heart) Confusion (probably comes after the blood pressure drops) Loss of consciousness (syncope, which is bad)
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what diagnostic tests should we be running for hemoptysis
 ABC’s, vitals; IV(s), O2, monitor  Hx: Onset? Chest pain? SOB? Weight loss? Fever? Trauma? Coumadin? CAM?  PE: Usual suspects + look for non-pulmonary source  CXR, EKG, Labs, lactic acid, PT/INR. Type and screen/cross?  Chest CT if significant, stable  If very significant, ongoing: a big airway concern (blood is coming from the airway). Make a plan everybody needs to be in the room. need a bronch  Pulmonary consult: bronchoscopy
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f. HIV w/ infiltrates-what diagnostic tests would you want
``` CXR Labs: lactic acid LDH-helps predict severity cultures HIV labs: CD4 count, viral load ```
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when is an HIV pt considered immunocompetent
1. CD4 >200 = immunocompetent
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i. Clinical Presentation of TB
Cough, fever, weight loss, fatigue, night sweats, pleuritic chest pain, dyspnea and hemoptysis.
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Risks for TB
Classic sx’s, endemic area of origin - travel Risks: immunocomp, incarcerated, known exposure, homeless, EtOH
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3. Lung exam in a pt w/ TB
can't be diagnosed variable need CXR and labs
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CXR presentations of TB
a. Infiltrates/consolidation b. Reactivation favors upper lobes c. Pleural effusion d. Cavitary lesions e. Calcifications f. Miliary pattern
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what do you do with TB in the ED
if in respiratory distress--> ADMIT if high risk (+ PPD, hx of exposure, alcoholic, incarcerated, form endemic area) if your CXR has ANY infiltrate of effusion --> ADMIT
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positive PPD hx with clean CXR and sxs of TB
ADMIT
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+PPD, CXR, NO sxs
home PCP or TB coordinator f/u and intiate tx ED does not initiate tx
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a. A 73yo F w/ Hx HTN, DM, BIB ambulance c/o 2d of increasing “breathlessness”, now with slight exertion, and chest “tightness”. She looks pale, anxious and uncomfortable. Vitals: BP 182/112, P 118, RR 28, afebrile, pulse ox 94% on non-rebreather mask. what's your ddx
```  CHF  AMI/ACS  PE  Pericardial effusion  Infection  Pleural effusion  Renal failure  Cancer ```
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A 73yo F w/ Hx HTN, DM, BIB ambulance c/o 2d of increasing “breathlessness”, now with slight exertion, and chest “tightness”. She looks pale, anxious and uncomfortable. what do you do for this pt
Begin with: IV, O2, monitor, EKG, CXR, Triple scan US Labs, lactic acid, troponin, UA, Tox screen Careful Hx & PE when stable she's probably acidotic and we already know where we are going to start with her BNP is $$$$$
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TX for CHF
1. LMNOP-N ``` Lasixs Morphine NTG O2 Position NIPPV ``` 2. -Diuretics: Lasix 3. -Vasodilators – NITRO IV reduce preload, afterload: 4. Morphine +/-, Nitrates 5. -Oxygen, Position 6. -NIPPV is awesome 7. -US better than BNP in ED unless Dx uncertain 8. -Admit all new CHF – search for cause 9. -Admit moderate, severe, recurrent, unstable 10. B lines on lung U/S
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how should we think about CHF
structural functional inability to fill and pump can be acute or chronic acute: flash pulmonary edema, L-sided MI, HTN emergency, valve rupture chronic: HTN, valve dz, CAD--> cardiomegaly, mitral regurg
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three questions we need for CHF
R or L or both systolic or diastolic high or low output failure
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left sided Heart failure looks like
``` DOE cough fatigue orthopnea PND rales S3 gallop ```
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right sided looks like
JVD peripheral edema hepatomegaly anascara
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systolic looks like
can't squeeze enough
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diastolic HF looks like
can't relax to fill
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low output failure
common chronic CHF low EF
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high output failure
compensating for demand thyroid storm anemia etc
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when do we NOT GIVE NITRO for CHF pt
``` right sided inferior MI viagra tamponade aortic stenosis or hypovolemia ```
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47 yo female self presents to the ED c/o increasing DOE and dizziness for 1 week. No PMH. Triage vitals: BP 132/88, P 104, RR 20, afebrile, pulse ox is 98% on ra.
pulse a little high RR pretty high CXR-->good Pulse OX--> good get a Hgb 6.2 hct 20%
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when do we see anemia sxs and what do they look like
when compensation fails i. When compensation fails = Sx’s: DOE, dizzy, weak, malaise, palpitations, chest pain, syncope
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tx for symptomatic anemia
blood need occult blood test MCC- menstration need CA workup So...why is this patient anemic?? Melena? Menstrual? Cancer? Renal Failure? Iron? Macro- or Microcytic?
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40yo F c/o 4 hours of sharp, L-sided chest pain, worse with deep breath. “My breath feels short”. Denies fever, chills, cough, DOE, palps, trauma. Hysterectomy 3wks ago. Well yesterday, no other PMHx. Looks uncomfortable.
thoracic aortic dissection
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RF for thoracic aortic dissection
Marfan’s, Ehlers-Danlos, connective tissue dz, pregnancy, syphilis, family hx of sudden death at young age – all are risk factors
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classic symptoms for thoracic aortic dissection
sudden “tearing/ripping” w/ SOB, HTN. Jaw, neck, chest - pain evolves, changes. Migrating pain above and below the diaphragm; GI complaints – n/v/d Dizziness, near-syncope, neuro sx’s common (extremities can get weak)
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a. 40yo F c/o 4 hours of sharp, L-sided chest pain, worse with deep breath. “My breath feels short”. Denies fever, chills, cough, DOE, palps, trauma. Hysterectomy 3wks ago. Well yesterday, no other PMHx. Looks uncomfortable. i. VS: 128/80, P 112, RR 20, T 99, O2 96% ra
PE WELLS score is 6
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#1 risk for PE
previous DVT/PT
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must consider a PE in everyone with
CP
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WELLS SCORE
```  Signs/Sx’s DVT - 3pts  PE #1 Dx – 3pts  Heart rate >100 - 1.5pts  Immobilization 3 days or surgery <1mo - 1.5pts  Hx proven PE/DVT-1.5pts  Hemoptysis – 1pt  Active malignancy – 1pt ```
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three tier and two tier model for WELLS
 Low prob = <2 pts (1.3%)  Moderate = 2-6 pts (16.2%)  High prob = >6 pts (37.5%)  Two tier model  “PE Unlikely” = 0-4 pts (12%)  “PE Likely” = >4 pts (37%)
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criteria for PERC-ing a pt | do this for low risk
must answer YES to all of them * Age <50 * Pulse <100 * SaO2 >94% * No unilateral leg swelling * No hemoptysis * No recent trauma or surgery * No hx prior DVT or PE * No hormone use
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when do we do a D dimer
low to moderate risk that can't be PERC out
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i. In every patient with chest pain, you must consider the “Big 6” – “cannot miss” diagnoses
(2 A’s, 3 P’s, a B) ii. AMI/ACS/USA iii. Thoracic aortic dissection iv. Pericarditis/pericardial effusion v. Pulmonary embolus vi. Pneumothorax vii. Boerhaave’s (espohageal rupture/pneumomediastinum)
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clubbing is most commonly seen with
chronic bronchitis and people that have had surgery